Choose one of the following statements and develop a short argument FOR or AGAINST the statement.
-To win an argument you have to insult the other person. - Women are more mature than men. - Our horoscope determines our personality. - Men are more unfaithful than women.
Post your response: (in paragraph form) to this blog spot.
Topic: To win an argument you have to insult the other person.
Although this can be true, winning an argument doesn't need insulting. Despite the fact that Shakespeare may think otherwise,insulting will only win the fight, not the overall war. A better way to win an argument is to take the logic that the person is using and turn it around on them. Essentially, a person can't argue with their own beliefs.
Our horoscopes absolutely does not determine our personalities. There are too many interpretations of what the stars say to know exactly how a person acts or feels, I am a Virgo but I have no personality traits of a Virgo. The horoscopes mean nothing and are interchangeable, with the introduction of the new sign, Ophiuchus, all the signs are mixed up adn the personality traits that someone has been living with for most of their lives could be turned upside down. Our lives are in no way determined by our horoscopes.
To win an argument a person doesn't necessarily have to insult someone. I feel that generally insults are thrown around as a way to spice up the argument, if people merely shared facts and their opinions without pointing out a flaw of the other, it wouldn't be as stimulating. However, I believe that many people, including myself insult others simply because they don't have as much information as they'd like to. By insulting the other person you divert attention away from the important matter, as well as frustrating the other person. If you're good at arguing, you should be able to insult someone without cruel intentions, but purely for the purpose of throwing them off slightly so you can demolish them with the facts. Everyone is guilty of insulting someone though, whether it be direct and blunt, or sly and witty, insults are thrown around for pleasure, purpose, and performance.
I do not believe our horoscopes can predict our personalities. I personally have read some overviews of astrological personalities and have read some extremely accurate ones. Now, not that I am stating that these overviews are too vague to be true because they are different for each sign; however these traits are things that most people could relate to. Many could relate to being slightly on the introverted side but still love a good time. Many could say that they are a generally kind spirit. However, can being born under a certain formation of stars, which humans made up, could predestine your personality? Another point. How many friends or just people in general do you know of that have the same sign as you? Are they like you at all? One of my best friends is the same sign as me and we are almost complete opposites. Yet, our astrological personalities could identify either of us. So is it too vague? When we think about these personalities, we must not just take ourselves into account. We have to think about people as a whole. If these very in fact 100% accurate, wouldn’t there be multiples of the same person? So, a person’s own experiences must be taken into account, for that molds a person’s personality, so that could account for differences as well as many other factors. However, when we got to the basics of a person’s traits, would they match their astrological sign? I believe people are too different to share all the basics that these descriptions provide. I feel it is highly unlikely that people share every trait with everyone under their sign.
Definitely true. It starts basically in middle school, where boys still haven't grown out of the whole "girls have cooties" phase. They run around screaming over stupid things and hardly ever have a point to what they're saying. From middle school on though, it unfortunately gets worse. Honestly just look around at 98% of the males compared to the females in Carmel High School alone. It seems that men will always laugh at the word "ball" no matter what context it is in, while women at least realize that it doesn't always mean something dirty. Now I'm not saying women are superior, just more mature. But when men, out of high school, even out of college, are still behaving like complete idiots, laughing at stupid inappropriate things and just being all around immature, it really doesn't help their case. I really will never understand men and I will never be able to tolerate their immaturity (or anyones immaturity for that matter).
I believe this to be very true. I am a Pisces and my horoscopes description of me is 100% accurate. I believe in the science of astrology, and depending on how the stars are aligned when were born, we pick up the characteristics of our sign. I feel that no matter how hard we try to be, or act, like someone else who may be a different sign, it just doesn't work and we find ourselves reverting back to our natural born way, seeing, believing, and going about our life the way we feel comfortable.
Although my Capricorn horoscopes are usually correct, I don't believe that they determine who we are. Yes, every time I read my horoscope I do say "Oh, that's so true", but I don't believe this says who I actually am. Personality is not determined by the stars, but the actual person. I don't believe that a system of large gaseous spheres in the sky makes me who I am. Every person is unique and cannot be placed in a grouping based on astrology.
It's a fact. One that has been scientifically proven by a multitude of sources. Women are more mature than men. They reach puberty at a younger age, vaulting them to physical maturity sooner. Emotional maturity comes next. It's a hormone thing. The motherly, nurturing instinct kicks in, forcing women to grow up sooner. The reasons behind this early growth are evolutionary. Remember way back in the day when child brides and teen pregnancies were considered the Norm? Women had to be emotionally mature enough to care for not only themselves but their child as well. Not men. They could just "love 'em and leave 'em". They didn't need to be emotionally invested in the raising of a child. Boys could still have their childhood. Even though teenage girls are no longer casually popping out babies, they've maintained this maturity. Boys. on the other hand, are stuck in a perpetual Never Land where growing up is preposterous.
"unfaithful" –adjective 1. not faithful; false to duty, obligation, or promises; faithless; disloyal.
Okay, so let's say unfaithfulness is the breaking of a promise. Women break promises all the time. So do men. Ok, so we're not talking about breaking a new year's resolution to eat less chocolate. However, I don't believe either sex is "more unfaithful". Maybe men cheat more often sexually, but "unfaithful" isn't the right word for that. Women are just as unfaithful as men. They break promises too, they're human beings. Think about it, in male-female relationships, just as many women get divorced as men. That is breaking a promise. Maybe women do cheat as often as men, they just find easier, less publicly disturbing ways to cheat. I don't think we can say women are more or less faithful based purely on sexual relations. If relationships are based on more than sex, which I think we can all agree on, then infidelity cannot be the greatest form of unfaithfulness. There is definitely a deeper form of unfaithfulness that all people can exhibit equally no matter what sex.
Okay, let me give you a typical French answer. Ca depend: It depends. What do you believe faithful means? Faithfulness-loyalty, not being considered a traitor, or as most people view it: not having sex (etc.) with someone other than your significant other. Well, if we look at it from the sex point of view...this debate may seem true. As Kristen said up there ^, men are the "'love 'em and leave 'em'" kind. For them, it is the joie de vivre, the hearty enjoyment of life to engage in mulitple relationships.
This is partly because men have different views of relationships than women. Women want the package deal. Someone to love them even if they look like a Ewok that day and smell like Chinese food. But, for SOME men it's different. If you can be comfortable and yourself with a woman, then your life is grand. But some people just don't want that "something more." They just want a warm bed. A trophy to show off to their bros.
It's the "something more" that scares people. For some it is just too much. How can you know that one person will love you forever? Let's not even get started on what love means...we'll save that for another day.
Men are scared. They act tough for their broskis, their bros, their dudes, their brahs...but face it. We're all scared of things. But women have that umph. That "I can tell that you'll be okay for me. I can be an Ewok, it'll be nice to be myself," and all that jazz. So now that we've establish that men are scared, we move on...So instead of sticking to their guns, they move on from woman to woman. Or there's the fact that men get bored easily. That could also be why they're more unfaithful. Or that they're shallow. My eyes are up here buddy...Just kidding.
Now this is just a generalization, so let's not get hasty.
Women can be unfaithful too. Not so much in the loyalty sense (I mean, c'mon, women are like mother bears, don't get all up in their family, they'll kill you with their talons), but maybe in the sex sense. It's the 21st century, we're totally allowed to have open relationships and lovers, but that doesn't mean that we'll go behind one of our significant others back to hurt someone. We know pain. We experience it every month. (haha joke to lighten the mood...) But it's the loyalty factor. We won't screw over our baby cubs. But, ca depend.
While studies have been done to prove that women are more mature than men as a result of reaching puberty earlier these studies do not take into account the subjectivity of the question. What makes someone mature? What is the “adult” thing to do in a situation. Is maturity defined by taking on responsibilities, or is it defined by not laughing at your mum joke? Who can name themselves wise enough to judge that entire portion of a population is more or less than another entire portion. With these groups, women and men, encompassing such large populations that vary so extremely, it is difficult, nay, impossible, to say that one sex is superior in any way to another. Maturity, of my own definition, is found both in women and men, because of the fact that sex has no influence over anything other than genitalia, and across the entire gender spectrum because gender cannot concretely define how mature someone will be. People are individuals and characteristics, while sometimes based loosely in gender, are frequently affected by outside influence, such as environment and relationships. You will find people of all different genders taking on responsibilities while still laughing when someone says “penis.” While I am female identified woman and consider myself to be mature, I know male identified men who consider themselves to be mature, and I now genderqueer people who consider themselves mature. Why should having a penis or a vagina define if you have an indefinable characteristic?
While many times insults come in to play in an argument, they are not needed to win. Debates are an excellent example of this. Using pure fact is one of the best ways to show your argument is the right one. Many times emotions can become involved in an argument you are passionate about, and lead to insults. While this may show your emotional connection to the topic it isn’t the way to prove your point and win. Telling your opponent that they are having a really bad hair day will only distress your opponent. Insulting people might make the other person upset, but wont help prove your side is any more right than theirs.
It is not necessarily true or untrue that winning an argument requires insulting the opposition. Rather, it is my belief that insults are used for a variety of secondary purposes, depending on the nature of the argument. In certain contexts, such as a battle of facts, they are launched to distract from the central issue. If implemented properly, they demean the object of ridicule and lend a measure of confidence to the perpetrator, thus causing the illusion of victory. In a battle of wit, however, they serve a more central function, as an opportunity to craft further witticisms for the purpose of displaying intellectual superiority. Similarly, in a comedic squabble, such as those frequently seen in the works of Shakespeare, insults can serve as the basis of humor, making them essential to any sort of triumph. In a battle of persuasion on the other hand, insults are clearly detrimental to the chances of the pleading party to win the argument. That said, it appears impossible to determine the usefulness of insults as a tool of argument without first defining the objective of the dispute. In fact, the winner may very well be the party who better recognizes the correct approach with respect to the circumstance.
Although Kym did not respond to the same prompt, I am compelled to agree with her analysis of maturity and to commend her for temporarily descending from the high pedestal of feminism to so eloquently acknowledge that not all men (and not even 98% - Casey) are entirely childish. Thank you!
Oh Emma, I see what you did right there You were iambic pentameter-ing Oh, day-um I am proud of your mad skills
This was in iambic pentameter This post was cooler than anything else I have some mad crazy Shakespeare skills, yo And Casey, I laugh at the word balls too In fact, I am laughing about it now
Emma, I like your bear analogy
I will always talk in ten syllables The above statement is a lie. The above statement is eight syllables
While am beyond pleased at your commendation, Toast, I must disagree with stepping off my pedestal of feminism. Feminism is in no way the belief that one sex is superior to the other, but both females and males should be treated equally. I will never descend from my high pedestal of feminism, darling.
*okay let me just say that I had to rewrite this because I messed it up, and this version is not as good as the first one.
The connotation in today's society of the word "unfaithful" is generally linked with cheating: having a sexual relationship with someone other than your "significant" other. In this way, men are more unfaithful than women. As a sex, men are visual creatures: they see, they covet, and so they act. It is simply in their nature. Biologically, the odds are stacked against them: their sex drive is higher than women and this blinding lust can often impair their judgement. This is not said in defense of a cheater, but should be considered when passing judgement and assessing blame. Men are human, and by defintition, are imperfect creatures.
Women are more unfaithful than men in a different way. They cheat with their minds, often more deliberately and constantly than the man who has a one time affair. We are insecure creatures, constantly desiring to be loved and admired. When in a comfortable relationship, though, these needs are not always met. So, we seek it elsewhere, cursed by the fairy tales and Disney movies of our youth that set us up for a lifetime of searching for Prince Charming, even when he is sleeping in our bed. We flirt and fantasize, keeping our hands clean, looking, but not touching, going on guiltless and happy. Is this way of cheating any worse or better than the way of men? I cannot say. What I can say is that neither men nor women are more or less faithful than eachother; both are human, and both are capable of betrayal.
Well, I believe there should be a different word than "determines" for this statement because horoscopes don't determine us but to some people they might define their personalities. I do not agree with either of those arguments. I have yet to know a person that wakes up in the morning looks at their horoscope and goes "that is what I am going to be or follow today." In my opinion, horoscopes are a fun invention that people have created to have the population interested but they are nothing that a life should follow. You make your own choices and these choices are what creates your life not the sentences that someone else makes that doesn’t even know you. There are days where I and my friends such as Elizabeth Hoey will look at horoscopes either on aol.com or horoscopedaily.com and they will be strangely accurate but that, I feel, is purely coincidental and I certainly do not revolve my day around my daily horoscope. What are the chances that people can be classified into twelve different groups especially by your birthdates, something you have no control over?
Maturity is defined as reacting to circumstances in a manner that is both appropriate and adaptive. In regard to that, neither men nor women are ever fully mature. However, I believe that after childhood concludes, women have a tendency to mature more quickly and dramatically than men do. Biologically speaking, the part of the brain that controls rational decision-making is developed significantly more quickly than in men. Along with that, the social pressures and customs of a young woman’s progress into adulthood forces them to mature more quickly. The influence of the media has a significant impact on how and when a child develops and begins to advance into adulthood. The ever-lingering presence of Disney movies on a child’s psyche can affect them quite significantly. Many of these movies follow this basic format: a woman faces a conflict, triumphs over it and gets married. This is evident in Cinderella, The Little Mermaid, and many others. Subconsciously, it presents the idea of settling down and getting married to young girls, an idea that will be repeated in an unending amount of romantic comedies. Ideas such as these remind women of a far-off future that they must be prepared for, and the maturity of their behavior accordingly develops. Overall, I believe that, as a combination of biological characteristics and social teachings leave women to be predisposed to a higher maturity level, not every case is exactly on the mark. In certain situations, women and men can have an equal level of maturity.
Though I find that my personal horoscope is usually true, I do not believe it's anything more then a fun little game everyone in the world plays. People become who they are through experiences they face every day. People change every time something affects them, both physically and emotionally. People often believe in their horoscopes because they often read them as if it's their religion. People do have the will to be whoever they want, and if they decide to follow a certain pattern, like horoscopes, then that is their choice. But horoscopes don't decide how people are; people decide who they are on their own.
Women are more mature than men. It is much agreed that biologically, women are more mature than men. Their bodies develop at a faster rate and on most levels exceed males. But, as far as mentality goes, I believe that personal experiences are what really shape how people think. There are tons of factors to take into account when dealing with the environment of an individual. Each one is different and everyone experiences diverse events in their life leading to the amount of growth and understanding within their emotional perception of the world and their place in it. Now, as a woman I have come to find that women (including myself of course) have a quicker catch on understanding concepts dealing with emotional situations than men. I believe that women were made specifically to be sensitive, understanding, accepting, insightful, caring, instinctive, motherly, responsible, and mature. This description clearly matches with the role society has labeled specifically for women and very much applies to the majority of the female gender. Having said that women are ahead of men emotionally, neither gender can come to any realizations to spur the growth of their maturity without unfolding particular events in their life. These happenings are directly related to their surroundings. So, in the end, maturity is defined by the course of an individual's life revealing that nature can prove to trump nurture.
I would have to side with Arthur on the relevance of insult in an argument. Persuasion is clearly more relevent, backed up with legitimate fact and motive. In order to win an arguement, one does not need to be able to insult your opponent, but the individual must be able to utilize fact to bombard your rivals into submission, or to get your point across. There are specific situations though where one insult needs an appropiate responce of another insult of the same magnitude, but ladies and gentlemen this is but iceing on the cake of an argument. If person x calls you this, and clearly will not listen to logic, it is better to retaliate on the spot then take an insult like you are being suckerpunched.It does take away from the core argument when it is used, but logic has far more effective results. Take for instance in Julius Caesar, when Marc Antoney did not insult Brutus as a man, rather he used blatently obvious fact to exploit the conspirators true intentions the people of Rome. This is why people study the art of rethoric, and persuasion rather then the art of mud slinging. Because when you simply throw insults (I bite my thumb at you sir), you get nowhere unless you back it up with determination and solid fact that supports your argument. Think of persuasion as a well placed strike to your opponent, rather then insult which acts as a blind jab in the scheme of things.
To win an argument you do not have to insult the other person. I believe that it is counterproductive because you are no longer arguing about anything but rather proving to your opponent that you don’t have any proof that you are correct and are admitting defeat. The best won arguments are those that have evidence to back up the statements that are being argued against. Also, one must make their point in a logical way otherwise their most important part of the person’s argument could be lost and jumbled up and if one insults him or her on top of that, I believe winning would then just become a lost cause.
Women are more mature than men. While the above statement tends to be the more generally accepted principle, is it necessarily true? In my experience, I’ve found that both genders can be equally mature or immature. It is undoubtedly true that women will physically mature at a younger age than most men. But what of the mental aspect? It means that men are the more mentally immature, of course- they laugh for no reason, they’re resistant to any forms of commitment, and they make lewd remarks at anything with even the slightest sexual connotations while the women look on with disgust and roll their eyes in their blessed maturity. Or, at least, that would be how the media portrays this argument. And, through my own personal experience, I would have to say that this is almost entirely true, even with myself; my comrades and I are capable of such levels of immaturity that surprise even me at times. But that isn’t to say that this isn’t true for the women as well. No, no, women are just as capable of immaturity as men, if placed in the correct situation. What it all really boils down to in this argument is that the level of (im)maturity varies from person to person, and not from gender to gender. The way a person was brought up, the events that person experiences, and the circumstances he/she is in at any given time all factor in to this equation. Why then, is this belief so widely regarded? Just how did it get such a following? Perhaps it’s because we, as men are “just naturally more submissive towards that argument because we want to be the mature ones in the situation.”* Perhaps it was some ancient codex gifted unto us by some unseen forces as the key to all the mysteries of life and was horribly misinterpreted by our feeble minds. Whatever the case may be, it has little to do with the argument at hand. All in all, my final verdict is that this belief is simply a load of crock, and that gender plays no part in determining a person’s maturity.
*Edward Gasperi on the relationship between gender and maturity.
My zodiac sign is a Scorpio, while my horoscope seem to be usually true, my sign and horoscope have nothing to do with my personality. Horoscopes are more for harmless entertainment, a persons’ personality develops through the challenges they over come and the people around them. People do not or should not base their lives on horoscope, they should decide their own life choices not by the positioning of the stars.
In a general sense, gender has very little to do with intelligence. However, is has been proven by both neuroscience and psychology that women mature faster than men. This does not necessarily mean that men are less intelligent, or less mature, but a woman’s brain physically develops much faster than a man’s, specifically the area of the frontal cortex that is responsible for the ability to process logic and reason. This is where the assumption that women are more mature than men.
I believe that our horoscope does determine our personality. I read my horoscope daily, sometimes more than once and to me, my horoscope is always dead on accurate. Some people think that a horoscope is a just a bunch of writing people post on the internet but for me, it determines my personality on a daily basis. I dont necessarily base my life around my horoscope of the day but I deffinatley think about it during the day and it may influence some of my decisions or some of ideas.
-To win an argument you have to insult the other person.
Although insulting a person will shut a person up the majority of the time, just by making them stop talking doesnt mean that you won the argument. You could still be wrong, in which case even if the argument ended, the other person still could have won. Facts need to be presented and you need to have logic within your argument for it to have appeal and be considered valid. Although an argument can get boring with just facts, some witty jokes and maybe an insult or two can be thrown in to keep interest and to look good, but they will not win an argument on their own.
Choose one of the following statements and develop a short argument FOR or AGAINST the statement.
ReplyDelete-To win an argument you have to insult the other person.
- Women are more mature than men.
- Our horoscope determines our personality.
- Men are more unfaithful than women.
Post your response: (in paragraph form) to this blog spot.
Topic: To win an argument you have to insult the other person.
ReplyDeleteAlthough this can be true, winning an argument doesn't need insulting. Despite the fact that Shakespeare may think otherwise,insulting will only win the fight, not the overall war. A better way to win an argument is to take the logic that the person is using and turn it around on them. Essentially, a person can't argue with their own beliefs.
Our horoscopes absolutely does not determine our personalities. There are too many interpretations of what the stars say to know exactly how a person acts or feels, I am a Virgo but I have no personality traits of a Virgo. The horoscopes mean nothing and are interchangeable, with the introduction of the new sign, Ophiuchus, all the signs are mixed up adn the personality traits that someone has been living with for most of their lives could be turned upside down. Our lives are in no way determined by our horoscopes.
ReplyDeleteTo win an argument a person doesn't necessarily have to insult someone. I feel that generally insults are thrown around as a way to spice up the argument, if people merely shared facts and their opinions without pointing out a flaw of the other, it wouldn't be as stimulating. However, I believe that many people, including myself insult others simply because they don't have as much information as they'd like to. By insulting the other person you divert attention away from the important matter, as well as frustrating the other person. If you're good at arguing, you should be able to insult someone without cruel intentions, but purely for the purpose of throwing them off slightly so you can demolish them with the facts. Everyone is guilty of insulting someone though, whether it be direct and blunt, or sly and witty, insults are thrown around for pleasure, purpose, and performance.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe our horoscopes can predict our personalities.
ReplyDeleteI personally have read some overviews of astrological personalities and have read some extremely accurate ones.
Now, not that I am stating that these overviews are too vague to be true because they are different for each sign; however these traits are things that most people could relate to. Many could relate to being slightly on the introverted side but still love a good time. Many could say that they are a generally kind spirit.
However, can being born under a certain formation of stars, which humans made up, could predestine your personality?
Another point. How many friends or just people in general do you know of that have the same sign as you? Are they like you at all? One of my best friends is the same sign as me and we are almost complete opposites. Yet, our astrological personalities could identify either of us. So is it too vague?
When we think about these personalities, we must not just take ourselves into account. We have to think about people as a whole. If these very in fact 100% accurate, wouldn’t there be multiples of the same person? So, a person’s own experiences must be taken into account, for that molds a person’s personality, so that could account for differences as well as many other factors. However, when we got to the basics of a person’s traits, would they match their astrological sign? I believe people are too different to share all the basics that these descriptions provide. I feel it is highly unlikely that people share every trait with everyone under their sign.
Women are more mature than men.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely true. It starts basically in middle school, where boys still haven't grown out of the whole "girls have cooties" phase. They run around screaming over stupid things and hardly ever have a point to what they're saying. From middle school on though, it unfortunately gets worse. Honestly just look around at 98% of the males compared to the females in Carmel High School alone. It seems that men will always laugh at the word "ball" no matter what context it is in, while women at least realize that it doesn't always mean something dirty. Now I'm not saying women are superior, just more mature. But when men, out of high school, even out of college, are still behaving like complete idiots, laughing at stupid inappropriate things and just being all around immature, it really doesn't help their case. I really will never understand men and I will never be able to tolerate their immaturity (or anyones immaturity for that matter).
Our horoscope determines our personality.
ReplyDeleteI believe this to be very true. I am a Pisces and my horoscopes description of me is 100% accurate. I believe in the science of astrology, and depending on how the stars are aligned when were born, we pick up the characteristics of our sign. I feel that no matter how hard we try to be, or act, like someone else who may be a different sign, it just doesn't work and we find ourselves reverting back to our natural born way, seeing, believing, and going about our life the way we feel comfortable.
Our horoscope determines our personality.
ReplyDeleteAlthough my Capricorn horoscopes are usually correct, I don't believe that they determine who we are. Yes, every time I read my horoscope I do say "Oh, that's so true", but I don't believe this says who I actually am. Personality is not determined by the stars, but the actual person. I don't believe that a system of large gaseous spheres in the sky makes me who I am. Every person is unique and cannot be placed in a grouping based on astrology.
Women are more mature than men.
ReplyDeleteIt's a fact. One that has been scientifically proven by a multitude of sources. Women are more mature than men. They reach puberty at a younger age, vaulting them to physical maturity sooner. Emotional maturity comes next. It's a hormone thing. The motherly, nurturing instinct kicks in, forcing women to grow up sooner. The reasons behind this early growth are evolutionary. Remember way back in the day when child brides and teen pregnancies were considered the Norm? Women had to be emotionally mature enough to care for not only themselves but their child as well. Not men. They could just "love 'em and leave 'em". They didn't need to be emotionally invested in the raising of a child. Boys could still have their childhood. Even though teenage girls are no longer casually popping out babies, they've maintained this maturity. Boys. on the other hand, are stuck in a perpetual Never Land where growing up is preposterous.
Men are more unfaithful than women.
ReplyDelete"unfaithful" –adjective
1.
not faithful; false to duty, obligation, or promises; faithless; disloyal.
Okay, so let's say unfaithfulness is the breaking of a promise. Women break promises all the time. So do men. Ok, so we're not talking about breaking a new year's resolution to eat less chocolate. However, I don't believe either sex is "more unfaithful". Maybe men cheat more often sexually, but "unfaithful" isn't the right word for that. Women are just as unfaithful as men. They break promises too, they're human beings. Think about it, in male-female relationships, just as many women get divorced as men. That is breaking a promise. Maybe women do cheat as often as men, they just find easier, less publicly disturbing ways to cheat. I don't think we can say women are more or less faithful based purely on sexual relations. If relationships are based on more than sex, which I think we can all agree on, then infidelity cannot be the greatest form of unfaithfulness. There is definitely a deeper form of unfaithfulness that all people can exhibit equally no matter what sex.
^^^ This Patrick is Patrick Lovett ^^^
ReplyDeleteMen are more unfaithful than women
ReplyDeleteOkay, let me give you a typical French answer. Ca depend: It depends. What do you believe faithful means? Faithfulness-loyalty, not being considered a traitor, or as most people view it: not having sex (etc.) with someone other than your significant other. Well, if we look at it from the sex point of view...this debate may seem true. As Kristen said up there ^, men are the "'love 'em and leave 'em'" kind. For them, it is the joie de vivre, the hearty enjoyment of life to engage in mulitple relationships.
This is partly because men have different views of relationships than women. Women want the package deal. Someone to love them even if they look like a Ewok that day and smell like Chinese food. But, for SOME men it's different. If you can be comfortable and yourself with a woman, then your life is grand. But some people just don't want that "something more." They just want a warm bed. A trophy to show off to their bros.
It's the "something more" that scares people. For some it is just too much. How can you know that one person will love you forever? Let's not even get started on what love means...we'll save that for another day.
Men are scared. They act tough for their broskis, their bros, their dudes, their brahs...but face it. We're all scared of things. But women have that umph. That "I can tell that you'll be okay for me. I can be an Ewok, it'll be nice to be myself," and all that jazz. So now that we've establish that men are scared, we move on...So instead of sticking to their guns, they move on from woman to woman. Or there's the fact that men get bored easily. That could also be why they're more unfaithful. Or that they're shallow. My eyes are up here buddy...Just kidding.
Now this is just a generalization, so let's not get hasty.
Women can be unfaithful too. Not so much in the loyalty sense (I mean, c'mon, women are like mother bears, don't get all up in their family, they'll kill you with their talons), but maybe in the sex sense. It's the 21st century, we're totally allowed to have open relationships and lovers, but that doesn't mean that we'll go behind one of our significant others back to hurt someone. We know pain. We experience it every month. (haha joke to lighten the mood...) But it's the loyalty factor. We won't screw over our baby cubs.
But, ca depend.
damn.
ReplyDeletemy name is emma, but it's not dooley ^
iambic pentameter'ed that one...
haha, i'll stop now.
While studies have been done to prove that women are more mature than men as a result of reaching puberty earlier these studies do not take into account the subjectivity of the question. What makes someone mature? What is the “adult” thing to do in a situation. Is maturity defined by taking on responsibilities, or is it defined by not laughing at your mum joke? Who can name themselves wise enough to judge that entire portion of a population is more or less than another entire portion. With these groups, women and men, encompassing such large populations that vary so extremely, it is difficult, nay, impossible, to say that one sex is superior in any way to another. Maturity, of my own definition, is found both in women and men, because of the fact that sex has no influence over anything other than genitalia, and across the entire gender spectrum because gender cannot concretely define how mature someone will be. People are individuals and characteristics, while sometimes based loosely in gender, are frequently affected by outside influence, such as environment and relationships. You will find people of all different genders taking on responsibilities while still laughing when someone says “penis.” While I am female identified woman and consider myself to be mature, I know male identified men who consider themselves to be mature, and I now genderqueer people who consider themselves mature. Why should having a penis or a vagina define if you have an indefinable characteristic?
ReplyDelete-Google accounts use my full name, it's Kym-
While many times insults come in to play in an argument, they are not needed to win. Debates are an excellent example of this. Using pure fact is one of the best ways to show your argument is the right one. Many times emotions can become involved in an argument you are passionate about, and lead to insults. While this may show your emotional connection to the topic it isn’t the way to prove your point and win. Telling your opponent that they are having a really bad hair day will only distress your opponent. Insulting people might make the other person upset, but wont help prove your side is any more right than theirs.
ReplyDeleteIt is not necessarily true or untrue that winning an argument requires insulting the opposition. Rather, it is my belief that insults are used for a variety of secondary purposes, depending on the nature of the argument. In certain contexts, such as a battle of facts, they are launched to distract from the central issue. If implemented properly, they demean the object of ridicule and lend a measure of confidence to the perpetrator, thus causing the illusion of victory. In a battle of wit, however, they serve a more central function, as an opportunity to craft further witticisms for the purpose of displaying intellectual superiority. Similarly, in a comedic squabble, such as those frequently seen in the works of Shakespeare, insults can serve as the basis of humor, making them essential to any sort of triumph. In a battle of persuasion on the other hand, insults are clearly detrimental to the chances of the pleading party to win the argument. That said, it appears impossible to determine the usefulness of insults as a tool of argument without first defining the objective of the dispute. In fact, the winner may very well be the party who better recognizes the correct approach with respect to the circumstance.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Kym did not respond to the same prompt, I am compelled to agree with her analysis of maturity and to commend her for temporarily descending from the high pedestal of feminism to so eloquently acknowledge that not all men (and not even 98% - Casey) are entirely childish. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteOh Emma, I see what you did right there
ReplyDeleteYou were iambic pentameter-ing
Oh, day-um I am proud of your mad skills
This was in iambic pentameter
This post was cooler than anything else
I have some mad crazy Shakespeare skills, yo
And Casey, I laugh at the word balls too
In fact, I am laughing about it now
Emma, I like your bear analogy
I will always talk in ten syllables
The above statement is a lie.
The above statement is eight syllables
While am beyond pleased at your commendation, Toast, I must disagree with stepping off my pedestal of feminism. Feminism is in no way the belief that one sex is superior to the other, but both females and males should be treated equally. I will never descend from my high pedestal of feminism, darling.
ReplyDeleteMen are more unfaithful than women.
ReplyDelete*okay let me just say that I had to rewrite this because I messed it up, and this version is not as good as the first one.
The connotation in today's society of the word "unfaithful" is generally linked with cheating: having a sexual relationship with someone other than your "significant" other. In this way, men are more unfaithful than women. As a sex, men are visual creatures: they see, they covet, and so they act. It is simply in their nature. Biologically, the odds are stacked against them: their sex drive is higher than women and this blinding lust can often impair their judgement. This is not said in defense of a cheater, but should be considered when passing judgement and assessing blame. Men are human, and by defintition, are imperfect creatures.
Women are more unfaithful than men in a different way. They cheat with their minds, often more deliberately and constantly than the man who has a one time affair. We are insecure creatures, constantly desiring to be loved and admired. When in a comfortable relationship, though, these needs are not always met. So, we seek it elsewhere, cursed by the fairy tales and Disney movies of our youth that set us up for a lifetime of searching for Prince Charming, even when he is sleeping in our bed. We flirt and fantasize, keeping our hands clean, looking, but not touching, going on guiltless and happy. Is this way of cheating any worse or better than the way of men? I cannot say. What I can say is that neither men nor women are more or less faithful than eachother; both are human, and both are capable of betrayal.
My apologies, Kym. Now get back in the kitchen.
ReplyDelete(The above is an example of how using insults in an argument can actually constitute a life-threatening mistake).
Kristen: I am a female Peter Pan. I own Never Land. No boys allowed.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of your argument is lovely though!
Our horoscope determines our personality.
ReplyDeleteWell, I believe there should be a different word than "determines" for this statement because horoscopes don't determine us but to some people they might define their personalities. I do not agree with either of those arguments. I have yet to know a person that wakes up in the morning looks at their horoscope and goes "that is what I am going to be or follow today." In my opinion, horoscopes are a fun invention that people have created to have the population interested but they are nothing that a life should follow. You make your own choices and these choices are what creates your life not the sentences that someone else makes that doesn’t even know you.
There are days where I and my friends such as Elizabeth Hoey will look at horoscopes either on aol.com or horoscopedaily.com and they will be strangely accurate but that, I feel, is purely coincidental and I certainly do not revolve my day around my daily horoscope. What are the chances that people can be classified into twelve different groups especially by your birthdates, something you have no control over?
this is amazing.
ReplyDeletethanks for your support of my pantametering kym! yours was excellent.
Who is DeanW?
ReplyDeleteMaturity is defined as reacting to circumstances in a manner that is both appropriate and adaptive. In regard to that, neither men nor women are ever fully mature. However, I believe that after childhood concludes, women have a tendency to mature more quickly and dramatically than men do. Biologically speaking, the part of the brain that controls rational decision-making is developed significantly more quickly than in men. Along with that, the social pressures and customs of a young woman’s progress into adulthood forces them to mature more quickly. The influence of the media has a significant impact on how and when a child develops and begins to advance into adulthood. The ever-lingering presence of Disney movies on a child’s psyche can affect them quite significantly. Many of these movies follow this basic format: a woman faces a conflict, triumphs over it and gets married. This is evident in Cinderella, The Little Mermaid, and many others. Subconsciously, it presents the idea of settling down and getting married to young girls, an idea that will be repeated in an unending amount of romantic comedies. Ideas such as these remind women of a far-off future that they must be prepared for, and the maturity of their behavior accordingly develops. Overall, I believe that, as a combination of biological characteristics and social teachings leave women to be predisposed to a higher maturity level, not every case is exactly on the mark. In certain situations, women and men can have an equal level of maturity.
ReplyDeleteOur horoscope determines our personality.
ReplyDeleteThough I find that my personal horoscope is usually true, I do not believe it's anything more then a fun little game everyone in the world plays.
People become who they are through experiences they face every day. People change every time something affects them, both physically and emotionally. People often believe in their horoscopes because they often read them as if it's their religion.
People do have the will to be whoever they want, and if they decide to follow a certain pattern, like horoscopes, then that is their choice. But horoscopes don't decide how people are; people decide who they are on their own.
Women are more mature than men.
ReplyDeleteIt is much agreed that biologically, women are more mature than men. Their bodies develop at a faster rate and on most levels exceed males. But, as far as mentality goes, I believe that personal experiences are what really shape how people think. There are tons of factors to take into account when dealing with the environment of an individual. Each one is different and everyone experiences diverse events in their life leading to the amount of growth and understanding within their emotional perception of the world and their place in it. Now, as a woman I have come to find that women (including myself of course) have a quicker catch on understanding concepts dealing with emotional situations than men. I believe that women were made specifically to be sensitive, understanding, accepting, insightful, caring, instinctive, motherly, responsible, and mature. This description clearly matches with the role society has labeled specifically for women and very much applies to the majority of the female gender. Having said that women are ahead of men emotionally, neither gender can come to any realizations to spur the growth of their maturity without unfolding particular events in their life. These happenings are directly related to their surroundings. So, in the end, maturity is defined by the course of an individual's life revealing that nature can prove to trump nurture.
^ so i wrote said comment above. me, sam durgah.
ReplyDeletecorrection...nurture can prove to trump nature.
ReplyDeleteI would have to side with Arthur on the relevance of insult in an argument. Persuasion is clearly more relevent, backed up with legitimate fact and motive. In order to win an arguement, one does not need to be able to insult your opponent, but the individual must be able to utilize fact to bombard your rivals into submission, or to get your point across. There are specific situations though where one insult needs an appropiate responce of another insult of the same magnitude, but ladies and gentlemen this is but iceing on the cake of an argument. If person x calls you this, and clearly will not listen to logic, it is better to retaliate on the spot then take an insult like you are being suckerpunched.It does take away from the core argument when it is used, but logic has far more effective results. Take for instance in Julius Caesar, when Marc Antoney did not insult Brutus as a man, rather he used blatently obvious fact to exploit the conspirators true intentions the people of Rome. This is why people study the art of rethoric, and persuasion rather then the art of mud slinging. Because when you simply throw insults (I bite my thumb at you sir), you get nowhere unless you back it up with determination and solid fact that supports your argument. Think of persuasion as a well placed strike to your opponent, rather then insult which acts as a blind jab in the scheme of things.
ReplyDeleteTo win an argument you do not have to insult the other person. I believe that it is counterproductive because you are no longer arguing about anything but rather proving to your opponent that you don’t have any proof that you are correct and are admitting defeat. The best won arguments are those that have evidence to back up the statements that are being argued against. Also, one must make their point in a logical way otherwise their most important part of the person’s argument could be lost and jumbled up and if one insults him or her on top of that, I believe winning would then just become a lost cause.
ReplyDeleteWomen are more mature than men.
ReplyDeleteWhile the above statement tends to be the more generally accepted principle, is it necessarily true? In my experience, I’ve found that both genders can be equally mature or immature. It is undoubtedly true that women will physically mature at a younger age than most men. But what of the mental aspect? It means that men are the more mentally immature, of course- they laugh for no reason, they’re resistant to any forms of commitment, and they make lewd remarks at anything with even the slightest sexual connotations while the women look on with disgust and roll their eyes in their blessed maturity. Or, at least, that would be how the media portrays this argument. And, through my own personal experience, I would have to say that this is almost entirely true, even with myself; my comrades and I are capable of such levels of immaturity that surprise even me at times. But that isn’t to say that this isn’t true for the women as well. No, no, women are just as capable of immaturity as men, if placed in the correct situation. What it all really boils down to in this argument is that the level of (im)maturity varies from person to person, and not from gender to gender. The way a person was brought up, the events that person experiences, and the circumstances he/she is in at any given time all factor in to this equation. Why then, is this belief so widely regarded? Just how did it get such a following? Perhaps it’s because we, as men are “just naturally more submissive towards that argument because we want to be the mature ones in the situation.”* Perhaps it was some ancient codex gifted unto us by some unseen forces as the key to all the mysteries of life and was horribly misinterpreted by our feeble minds. Whatever the case may be, it has little to do with the argument at hand.
All in all, my final verdict is that this belief is simply a load of crock, and that gender plays no part in determining a person’s maturity.
*Edward Gasperi on the relationship between gender and maturity.
My zodiac sign is a Scorpio, while my horoscope seem to be usually true, my sign and horoscope have nothing to do with my personality. Horoscopes are more for harmless entertainment, a persons’ personality develops through the challenges they over come and the people around them. People do not or should not base their lives on horoscope, they should decide their own life choices not by the positioning of the stars.
ReplyDeleteIn a general sense, gender has very little to do with intelligence. However, is has been proven by both neuroscience and psychology that women mature faster than men. This does not necessarily mean that men are less intelligent, or less mature, but a woman’s brain physically develops much faster than a man’s, specifically the area of the frontal cortex that is responsible for the ability to process logic and reason. This is where the assumption that women are more mature than men.
ReplyDeleteI believe that our horoscope does determine our personality. I read my horoscope daily, sometimes more than once and to me, my horoscope is always dead on accurate. Some people think that a horoscope is a just a bunch of writing people post on the internet but for me, it determines my personality on a daily basis. I dont necessarily base my life around my horoscope of the day but I deffinatley think about it during the day and it may influence some of my decisions or some of ideas.
ReplyDelete-To win an argument you have to insult the other person.
ReplyDeleteAlthough insulting a person will shut a person up the majority of the time, just by making them stop talking doesnt mean that you won the argument. You could still be wrong, in which case even if the argument ended, the other person still could have won. Facts need to be presented and you need to have logic within your argument for it to have appeal and be considered valid. Although an argument can get boring with just facts, some witty jokes and maybe an insult or two can be thrown in to keep interest and to look good, but they will not win an argument on their own.